Intelligence Squared

Simon Shuster is senior correspondent for Time. As a journalist working in both Russia and Ukraine for nearly two decades, he has watched and reported on the story of conflict between the two countries longer than many. His new book is The Showman: The Inside Story of the Invasion That Shook the World and Made a Leader of Volodymyr Zelensky. Shuster has had unprecedented access to the Ukrainian president over a pivotal period for global history, tracing his journey from comedian, actor and performer, to presidential hopeful, to war leader confronting Russian aggression. Joining Shuster in conversation for this episode is Carl Miller, co-founder of the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media at Demos. Miller is also an Associate of the Imperial War Museum and author of The Death of the Gods: The New Global Power Grab. If you'd like to get access to all of our longer form interviews and members-only content, just visit intelligencesquared.com/membership to find out more. For £4.99 per month you'll also receive