The Watch

The Ringer's Chris Ryan and Andy Greenwald bring on 'Mr. Robot' creator Sam Esmail to discuss the Season 2 finale (6:00), working outside the conventions of TV (15:35), Esmail's desire to ignore traditional plot points (28:00), the elasticity of shows like 'Atlanta' (36:00), comparisons between 'Mr. Robot' and 'The Empire Strikes Back' (46:00), defining the "true north" of a show (53:00), and the must-watch TV heading into the fall (59:00). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices