Orange And Brown Talk Podcast

The Browns hold the No. 6 pick in the NFL Draft, but their decision might not be as straightforward as it looks. On this Hey Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe cover everything from the Browns’ NFL Draft, to quarterback plans and the offseason program. Will Andrew Berry go offense or defense with the No. 6 pick? While a tackle or receiver seems like the logical choice, could a top-rated defensive player like Caleb Downs or Arvell Reese be too good to pass up? They discuss the unpredictability of the Browns' front office and the very real possibility of trading down to acquire future assets, especially with an eye on next year's quarterback class. The conversation then shifts to the revamped offensive line. With Tytus Howard confirming he's the right tackle, what does the future hold for Dawand Jones? They also break down the versatility of players like Elgton Jenkins and the ongoing questions at center and guard. Plus, they get into the quarterback c

The Browns introduced three of their free agent signings on Friday in Zoom calls with local reporters. Linebacker Quincy Williams, guard/center Elgton Jenkins and guard Zion Johnson all answered questions from reporters. On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, listen to edited versions of those press conferences, featuring the best of what the three had to say and more. Follow us: On X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/orangebrowntalk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YouTube: ⁠⁠⁠h⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ttps://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into questions from Football Insider subscribers following the first wave of free agency. They start by analyzing the Browns' revamped offensive line. While PFF grades for the new additions may be concerning, Mary Kay and Dan explain why the collective fit is more important than individual ratings and discuss how Joel Bitonio’s pending retirement decision impacts the team’s plans. The conversation then shifts to the pivotal quarterback situation. They explore the ideal scenario for the Browns: Shedeur Sanders seizing the starting role and proving he’s the franchise quarterback, a “lottery ticket” outcome that would solve many future problems. This is contrasted with the complicated decisions the team would face if Deshaun Watson returns to form. Finally, they look ahead to the NFL Draft, debating whether the Browns will take the best player available at pick No. 6. They discuss which positions the team vi

The new league year is here, and Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are breaking down all the latest Browns moves on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. They start by grading Andrew Berry's aggressive overhaul of the offensive line, analyzing the additions of players like Tytus Howard and Zion Johnson. Did the GM ace his biggest offseason assignment? The crew then shifts to the remaining needs on offense, debating whether the Browns have done enough to improve their weapons. They discuss the state of the wide receiver room and whether the team can rely on its current players, like Jerry Jeudy and Ced Tillman, to step up under new head coach and play-caller Todd Monken. The quarterback situation is also a hot topic, as they explore the likelihood of the Browns entering the season with a competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson. Finally, they provide an important update on Joel Bitonio, explaining why the veteran guard has earned the right to take his time with his retirement deci

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are back to recap Day 2 of free agency on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, an episode that went off the rails in the best way possible. They start by diving deep into the Browns' offensive line rebuild, analyzing the new additions of Elgton Jenkins and re-signing of Teven Jenkins. They discuss what the starting five might look like and what these moves could mean for Joel Bitonio's future with the team. Then, in a wild turn of events, major NFL news breaks mid-recording. Listen to their real-time reaction as they learn that the Baltimore Ravens have backed out of the blockbuster trade for Maxx Crosby due to a failed physical. They break down the immediate implications for the Raiders, the Ravens and the potential domino effect across the entire league as free agency continues. The episode wraps up with a look at the Browns' pass-catchers and whether the team still needs to make a significant addition to the receiver room. Follow us: On X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are breaking down all the action from Day 1 of the NFL's legal tampering period on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The Browns made two significant moves, signing former Chargers guard Zion Johnson and Jets linebacker Quincy Williams. We get into how both players fit, with a special focus on Williams' connection to new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg and how Johnson brings much-needed durability to the offensive line. We also discuss how the Williams signing came together after the Browns lost Devin Bush to the Bears. But what about the moves the Browns didn't make? Should they have been more aggressive in pursuing quarterback Malik Willis, who landed in Miami? We debate whether passing on Willis was a mistake. Plus, the wide receiver room is still a question mark. Is a trade for Jacksonville's Brian Thomas a realistic possibility? We look at Andrew Berry's history of trading for receivers and what the team might do next to add weapons to the offens

On this Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' latest offseason move: the annual restructuring of Deshaun Watson's contract. They explain why this was a necessary bookkeeping move to get under the salary cap and how it frees up money for free agency. The crew discusses how this strategy, while common for teams with high-priced quarterbacks, stings more when you haven't gotten elite performance in return. With new cap space, the focus shifts to the quarterback position. Should the Browns make a bold, aggressive run at free agent Malik Willis, a player they nearly drafted in 2022? The hosts debate the pros, cons and potential price tag. They also look ahead to the NFL Draft, breaking down the early top-30 visit from Alabama QB Ty Simpson. They analyze his connection to offensive coordinator Todd Monken and where he could land in the draft. Plus, they discuss another key visitor, top wide receiver prospect Carnell Tate,

On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are back in Berea to break down the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators. First up: Defensive Coordinator Mike Rutenberg, who lived up to his high-octane reputation. They discuss his energetic, emotional style, his philosophy of playing violent football and the invaluable addition of veteran coach Dom Capers to his staff. They analyze how Rutenberg plans to follow the tough act of Jim Schwartz by focusing on relationship-building. Next, they turn to new Offensive Coordinator Travis Switzer. They explore his complementary role to head coach and play-caller Todd Monken, his expertise in the run game and the coaching staff's belief that a new system can elevate players like Jerry Jeudy. They also get into the quarterback situation, the team's public support for Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders and whether a big move could still happen. Finally, they touch on new Special Teams Coordin

On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the Cardinals are releasing quarterback Kyler Murray. They discuss whether the Browns should pursue the former No. 1 overall pick, weighing his tantalizing mobility and talent against the red flags of his health and consistency. They also debate the Browns' other quarterback options. Should they stand pat and let Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders compete? Is Malik Willis a realistic target, or will he be too expensive? Could taking a flyer on a raw but talented prospect like Anthony Richardson be a worthwhile gamble for Todd Monken to develop? Finally, they look ahead to the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators. What are they most interested in hearing from new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg and offensive coordinator Travis Switzer. They touch on the influence of veteran coach Dom Capers and what the hiring of Switzer, a former run game coordinator

On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe are back from the NFL Combine and ready to break down the latest Browns news. They start with the team's first big offseason move: the trade for offensive lineman Tytus Howard, which includes a three-year, $63 million extension. How does this acquisition impact the Browns' draft strategy? Dan and Mary Kay discuss whether the team will still target a top offensive tackle or if this move gives them the flexibility to address other needs. The conversation then shifts to the most-talked-about position: quarterback. The hosts analyze the open competition plan and debate whether the starting job will come down to a battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They explore why new head coach Todd Monken would prefer to have his QB1 decided before training camp begins. With free agency and the draft approaching, they also touch on other potential quarterback scenarios, the unlikelihood of landing Malik W

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are wrapping up their week at the NFL Combine, but first it’s a Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. Today it’s all about the quarterback and wide receiver prospects. The main discussion centers on Alabama QB Ty Simpson. Mary Kay shares her positive first impressions and details his interesting connection to Browns head coach Todd Monken through his father. The crew debates how far Simpson would have to fall for the Browns to draft him and if he's a realistic option to challenge Shedeur Sanders. They also explore the "damaged goods" nature of this QB class, looking at potential value picks on Day 2 or 3 like Garrett Nussmeier and Medina native Drew Allar, both of whom have shown flashes of high-end talent. The conversation then shifts to the deep wide receiver class. Ashley details her interview with Jordyn Tyson, the brother of Cavs player Jaylon Tyson, and his potential as a precise route runner. Finally, they debate the Browns' biggest

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are are still at the NFL Combine, but first they take a pod to reset some of what they’ve heard the first three days on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The Browns quarterback room is the main topic of conversation. With Andrew Berry and Todd Monken heaping praise on both Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, is a training camp battle inevitable? Or could the front office have another move up its sleeve? They discuss if the public comments are genuine or a smokescreen for a bigger move, like a trade for former first-round pick Anthony Richardson. They debate whether adding another QB would muddy the waters or if it's the type of move to expect from Berry. Then, the conversation shifts to the defense and a key upcoming free agent: linebacker Devin Bush. After a career-revitalizing season, is bringing Bush back the team's No. 1 priority? Mary Kay explains why he's so important to the defense, his journey back from a torn ACL and what his next contract could l

On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe check in from the NFL Combine to break down everything from new head coach Todd Monken's highly anticipated press conference. The crew discusses how Monken's refreshing, candid and genuine style is a significant change of pace from the buttoned-up approach of his predecessor, Kevin Stefanski. A major topic of discussion was the quarterback room. Monken offered glowing praise for Shedeur Sanders, calling him an "elite playmaker" and stating unequivocally that he could be ready to start Week 1. The hosts also analyze Monken's comments on Deshaun Watson. They explore the coach's open-mindedness and confidence in his ability to rekindle Watson's past success, while also considering the significant physical hurdles Watson must overcome after multiple major surgeries. The conversation also touches on the young, energetic coaching staff Monken has assembled, including new DC Mike Rutenberg, and the overall feelin

Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley and Dan Labbe are at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis all week on the ⁠Orange and Brown Talk podcast⁠. The crew breaks down everything from ⁠Browns⁠ GM Andrew Berry's press conference. While Berry didn't reveal all his cards, the quarterback position was front and center. They discuss the ongoing competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, and Berry's confirmation that the team is exploring all external options, including names like Malik Willis and Ty Simpson. With Berry open to a training camp battle, it's clear that anything can happen. The conversation then shifts to the highly anticipated press conference with new head coach Todd Monken. Will his "loose cannon" style provide more definitive answers on the offense? Plus, the hosts dive into other key takeaways from Berry's availability, including a potential overhaul of the offensive line, the uncertain future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr. following his Achilles injury and the unfortunate news regarding lineback

On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get you ready for the  NFL Combine. First, they start with some unfortunate news on linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. Mary Kay has an update on his status after his scary neck injury, and it's not what Browns fans want to hear. Then, they dive into the quarterback position. What are the pros and cons of the Browns pursuing a free agent like Malik Willis? Would he immediately become the starter over Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders? Speaking of Watson, they discuss his chances of returning to the field, noting that he's healthy and has been told he will have a chance to compete for the starting job. Finally, they look at the NFL Draft and a listener question about drafting two offensive linemen in the first round. With the Browns needing to rebuild in the trenches, could they use both of their first-round picks to address the offensive line? It's a packed episode to get you ready for a week of news from

On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe dive into the 2026 NFL Draft. They start in the trenches, breaking down the top offensive tackle prospects like Spencer Fano from Utah and Francis Mauigoa from Miami. Lance explains why he values 'nastiness' and a love for the game over pure analytics when scouting linemen, and they identify some Day 2 and Day 3 sleepers. Then, the conversation shifts to the skill positions, including Jordyn Tyson, Makai Lemon and Carnell Tate. Of course, the guys have the mandatory Cleveland media discussion: Should the Browns take Ohio State safety Caleb Downs at No. 6? They debate the philosophy of drafting the best player available versus a premier position of need like offensive tackle. The episode wraps with a look at the quarterback class, discussing why a player like Garrett Nussmeier might be a forgotten man and what to make of Alabama's Ty Simpson. Follow us: On X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

On the latest Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are looking ahead to the NFL Combine. They discuss the challenges of covering the event and how it kicks off a crucial offseason for the Browns. The conversation turns to the offensive line, a major area of need. After a successful 2025 draft, can Andrew Berry hit on positions like O-line and wide receiver where he's had misses in the past? They shift to the other side of the ball to break down the hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg. They discuss why the first-time play-caller is a good fit to continue the Jim Schwartz system. They explain why that continuity is vital for the success of Myles Garrett and the rest of the defense. Plus, Ashley shares a story about being on a Frontier flight with no Wi-Fi when the news broke. Follow us: On X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/orangebrowntalk⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Riesland joins Dan Labbe to break down the Browns' hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg. Lance dives into what he's seen on film, explaining how Rutenberg's philosophy is similar to Jim Schwartz's with its aggressive front, but will feature more schematic differences. The guys also tackle the challenges Rutenberg faces as a first-time play-caller and discuss the decision to move on from Schwartz. They look at specific players, including what Martin Emerson Jr.'s role could be in a crowded cornerback room and the potential for Denzel Ward to travel with top receivers more often. Finally, they shift to the offense, exploring what new head coach Todd Monken will prioritize this offseason, from fixing a potentially depleted offensive line to maximizing the talent of receivers like Isaiah Bond. Follow us: On X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https

On a Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' hiring of new defensive coordinator, Mike Rutenberg. They start by discussing why the Browns opted for a first-time coordinator and how Rutenberg's experience under coaches like Robert Saleh will allow him to run a system similar to Jim Schwartz's. Mary Kay and Dan also explore the importance of keeping the defensive staff in place for a smooth transition and the challenge Rutenberg faces in earning the trust of veteran players who were loyal to Schwartz. Then, the conversation shifts to offseason roster questions. They look at the future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr., who is recovering from a ruptured Achilles, and whether there's a place for him with the emergence of Tyson Campbell. Finally, with the NFL Draft on the horizon, they answer a subscriber's question about whether the Browns might trade down from the No. 6 overall pick to accumulate more draft capital. Follow us: On X:

On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe turn the show over to their Football Insider subscribers. They tackle a series of true/false, agree/disagree and fill-in-the-blank questions covering the biggest offseason topics for the Browns. The discussion kicks off with the search for a new defensive coordinator. Will the Browns promote from within and name Jason Tarver, or will they bring in an external candidate like Cory Undlin? Mary Kay and Dan also debate whether the Browns' dominant defense is due for a step back next season. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the quarterback room. Will Shedeur Sanders be the de facto Week 1 starter? The hosts break down the "it factor" Sanders showed in key moments, his uncanny accuracy and the unknowns surrounding Deshaun Watson's return from injury. They also look at the offensive line's future, predict Andrew Berry's top free agency targets and close with a fascinating question: Will Kevin Stefanski's Falcons