Give And Take

In this episode of Give and Take, host Scott Jones sits down with Amanda Marcotte, author of Troll Nation and Senior Writer at Salon Magazine, for a sharp and incisive discussion on the forces reshaping American politics and culture. As Elon Musk’s influence extends beyond Silicon Valley into the political arena, and Christian Nationalism gains traction in the nation’s discourse, they examine the implications for democracy,, and the very nature of truth. At a time when disinformation thrives and political identities harden, what does it mean to seek and defend reality? It's a compelling and timely conversation that confronts some urgent questions of our political moment. Special Guest: Amanda Marcotte .

My guest is Amanda Tyler, the Executive Director of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty and a leading voice in the fight to uphold the separation of church and state. In her new book, How to End Christian Nationalism (https://www.amazon.com/How-Christian-Nationalism-Amanda-Tyler/dp/1506498280?tag=googhydr-20&source=dsa&hvcampaign=books&gbraid=0AAAAA-byW6BJ3_Dq-rZUDYvLl7JfnaZns&gclid=Cj0KCQjwm7q-BhDRARIsACD6-fUjQ94rKbG71TmCu4FK_bxpxfvmhbcKLZDUmR3ZCBuSUB_n4cwzKHkaAtoEEALw_wcB), Amanda lays out a compelling case against this growing movement, exposing its impact on democracy, religious freedom, and social justice. In this conversation, we explore what Christian nationalism is, why she se es it as a threat, and how she thinks you can push back against it. Whether you have a deep knowledge of Christian Nationalism or just starting to learn about it, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

My guest is Jennifer Briney. She''s the host of the widely acclaimed podcast Congressional Dish (https://congressionaldish.com), joins us for a critical discussion on the state of American governance. Congressional Dish is dedicated to illuminating the workings of Congress, where the American people hold their greatest political power. With an unflinching, nonpartisan approach, Briney examines the actions of elected officials after the campaign season ends, revealing how their decisions shape the daily lives of citizens. In this conversation, Briney offers her insights on President Trump’s State of the Union address, the broader trajectory of the country, and whether Congress is fulfilling its role as a check on executive power. Special Guest: Jennifer Briney.

My guest is Marci Shore. Marci Shore is associate professor of history at Yale University, specializing in European intellectual history, with a focus on twentieth- and twenty-first-century Central and Eastern Europe. She earned her M.A. from the University of Toronto in 1996 and her Ph.D. from Stanford University in 2001. Shore is the translator of The Black Seasons _by Michał Głowiński and the author of several books, including _Caviar and Ashes: A Warsaw Generation’s Life and Death in Marxism, 1918-1968, The Taste of Ashes: The Afterlife of Totalitarianism in Eastern Europe, and The Ukrainian Night: An Intimate History of Revolution. In the wake of a tense and unusually combative exchange between former President Donald J. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine in the Oval Office last week, we turn to Professor Shore for insight. At a moment of geopolitical uncertainty and shifting alliances, what should Americans understand about Ukraine—its history, its struggle for sovereignty, and its place

My guest is Todd McGowan. HIs newest book is Pure Excess: Capitalism and the Commodity (https://www.amazon.com/Pure-Excess-Capitalism-Todd-McGowan/dp/0231217595/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3KTC25ZAWV3GM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.F48XnU2ZyF_-98Gyug6nZw.cQxE3ENJQy2NAtI6c4Ae9h86gOBzR6VJSqdgUNzlyhg&dib_tag=se&keywords=pure+excess+mcgowan&qid=1739642385&sprefix=Pure+Excess%2Caps%2C106&sr=8-1). In it he forges a new theory of capitalism as a system based on the production of more than what we need: pure excess. He argues that the promise of more―more wealth, more enjoyment, more opportunity, without requiring any sacrifice―is the essence of capitalism. Previous socioeconomic systems set up some form of the social good as their focus. Capitalism, however, represents a revolutionary turn away from the good and the useful toward excessive growth, which now threatens the habitability of the planet. Drawing on psychoanalytic theory, McGowan shows how the production of commodities explains the role of excess in the workings of capitalism. Ca

My guest is Lisa Sharon Harper. She's an author, podcaster, activist, and sought after speaker. She joins me to talk about what it looks like to bear witness to the Christian faith it what feels like an increasingly post-democratic cultural moment in America. Special Guest: Lisa Sharon Harper.

My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. He returns to the show to talk about the current American religious landscape. We discuss a recent piece in The Atlantic that he calls "evangelical fear mongering." We also talk about his recent review of Jonathan Rauch's new book [Cross Purposes: Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy](https://www.amazon.com/Cross-Purposes-Christianitys-Bargain-Democracy/dp/0300273541/?encoding=UTF8&pdrdw=t4d15&content-id=amzn1.sym.bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pfrdp=bc3ba8d1-5076-4ab7-9ba8-a5c6211e002d&pfrdr=134-0351661-4060607&pdrdwg=1LhYy&pdrdr=c352f3e6-6355-4103-963b-3617511be8f1&ref=aufsapscdsk)_. We also talk about Mark's newfound love for the Philadelphia Eagles. Go Birds! You can find Mark's response to The Atlantic piece we reference here. (https://markoppenheimer.substack.com/p/the-atlantics-fear-mongering-about) Mark's review of Rauch's book can be found here. (https://arcmag.org/did-church-once-make-us-good/) You can find Mark's celebration of the Eagles here. Go Birds

My guest is Harold Dean Trulear. Dean has served as Associate Professor of Applied Theology at Howard University School of Divinity since 2003. He joins me to talk about the future of Martin Luther King's dream in Donald Trump's America. Special Guest: Harold Dean Trulear.

My guest is Shenequa Golding. She doesn’t aim to speak for all Black women. They're too vast, too vibrant, and too complicated. As an adult, Golding begins to own her boldness, but growing up, she found herself “kind of in the middle,” fluctuating between not being the fly kid or the overachiever. Her debut collection of essays, A Black Girl in the Middle (https://www.amazon.com/Black-Girl-Middle-Allegedly-Figuring/dp/0807016063/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dxHne1go54jkDXKK9IEO4M4ddgId404KqiePXlL3E2SvuvEI6dqhZOtuQFGsYVrin7kHDTSeRYZjiHuCF8lg9PjWiYsYfDDXqxtWfrqETDsIN7iZB6moClP_eh5e7S7EUcBtpIMa8i6yaq8u1PhuR_cCPVIocBhWH6bs3jGbnKkbJuzhTOIasAkLl6toki1wmUkPlwpeR_Yy2c223rBWthxoQ5x7b_r0AWF4peJmgUk.5RYTnfReMMBErnsFCq0Z7IFSWICRB7a18KoY7plAdA0&qid=1735241288&sr=8-1), taps into life’s wins and losses, representing the middle ground for Black girls and women. Golding packs humor, curiosity, honesty, anger, and ultimately acceptance in 12 essays spanning her life in Queens, NY, as a first

My guest is Mark Oppenheimer. In a recent NY Times piece David Brooks describes his own complex journey of faith. Mark Oppenheimer has written a piece questioning why David Brooks consistently continues to refer to himself as a Jew, despite affirming the central tenets of the Christian faith. Mark returns to the show to discuss his piece and what it tells us about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. You can find David Brooks' piece "The Shock of Faith: It's Nothing Like I Thought It Would Be" here. (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/opinion/faith-god-christianity.html) You can find Mark's response here. (https://arcmag.org/david-brooks-please-stop-saying-you-are-jewish/) Special Guest: Mark Oppenheimer .

My guest is Edward J. Watts. He holds the Alkiviadis Vassiliadis Endowed Chair and is professor of history at the University of California, San Diego. He's the author and editor of several prize-winning books, including The Final Pagan Generation (https://www.amazon.com/Final-Pagan-Generation-Christianity-Transformation/dp/0520379225/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiFkCYGKaNHGRU1NIlMPXMqi28u--RXm75q4QbrunPcn8AkiF19POsyrjB1qRO8TqRSrrHoAl1ScxmwmLPdV9hF9QNe-XchEwAyIvf6nYnkgvYA.YypR6tby3AP40F8OcN4yOn7fAn4cwo5e7jxrGBPdXt0&dib_tag=se&keywords=Edward+Watts&qid=1734562927&sprefix=edward+watts%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-2) and Mortal Republic (https://www.amazon.com/Mortal-Republic-Rome-Fell-Tyranny-ebook/dp/B07B84NKNP/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3FW4HBSMBWLFR&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o6r94ds9Z1s_pEDmad3l3oaKgPNdG4vVkM3PCDsSTySnbPyuZmg56jjSVvAU_TaBF75-N-iEJLHae6D2holJviMtYTivBBDB1LMeAs5kOik5Pkgwzvu1sy9Lfg0gSiF

My guest is Thane Rosenbaum (https://thanerosenbaum.com). Thane is a law professor, legal and Middle East analyst, novelist, essayist and Distinguished University Professor at Touro University. He's an all around Renaissance man. We talk about a host of issues including antisemitism, identity politics, and the true nature of liberalism. Special Guest: Thane Rosenbaum.

My guest is Leah Paulos. Leah Paulos, the founder of Press Shop PR (https://www.pressshoppr.com), has worked at the intersection of books and media for over 25 years. She’s led publicity campaigns for hundreds of authors, helping them line up media attention and events and supporting them as they navigate the (somewhat bizarre) world of publishing. She has long wanted to offer publicity support to more authors than Press Shop PR can accommodate for full media campaigns. Book Publicity School (https://www.bookpublicityschool.com) is her answer, allowing her to bring her decades of experience and passion for championing authors to more writers at an affordable price. We talk about the process of birthing a book, what it takes to promote it, and what it can teach us about life. Special Guest: Leah Paulos .

My guest is Todd McGowan. Todd teaches theory and film at the University of Vermont. In his new book Embracing Alienation (https://www.amazon.com/Embracing-Alienation-Shouldnt-Find-Ourselves/dp/1915672228), McGowan offers a completely different take on alienation, claiming that the effort to overcome it is not a radical response to the current state of things but a failure to see the constitutive power of alienation for all of us. Instead of trying to overcome alienation and accede to an unalienated existence, it argues, we should instead redeem alienation as an existential and political program. Engaging with Shakespeare’s great tragedies, contemporary films such as Don’t Worry Darling, and even what occurs on a public bus, as well as thinkers such as Descartes, Hegel, and Marx, McGowan provides a concrete elaboration of how alienation frees people from their situation. Relying on the tradition of dialectical thought and psychoanalytic theory, Embracing Alienation reveals a new way of conceiving how we mea

In this episode best selling author and filmmaker David Shields returns to the show. We have a wide ranging conversation about the recent Presidential election. We consider what it tells us about Trump, the culture, and most importantly ourselves. Click here for David's book, No One Hates Trump More Than Trump. (https://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Hates-Trump-More-Than/dp/1945796995) Special Guest: David Shields.

My guest is Beatrice Marovich. She teaches in the Department of Theological Studies, at Hanover College. Her work offers provocative reflections on the way that strange and ancient religious figures and ideas remain at work in our cultures, in our politics, and in our bodies in both beautiful and deeply unsettling ways. We covered a vast array of topics including poltical theology, the nature of death, and karaoke. Special Guest: Beatrice Marovich.

My guest is Fabienne Doucet. Her new book is Love Is Still Winning (https://www.amazon.com/Still-Winning-Sigue-Triunfando-Spanish/dp/1948066114/ref=sr_1_1?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.YAXDHQwfS5vCg0HRe3-PPYKrZBdwzRX3h1fLJSAP2ucGDnXk51ldVf8EMvM5U-Tt.Lq8tHTda0kkXtGzOpC4NCHjNiApt2LySie1wVq944us&dib_tag=se&qid=1727977482&refinements=p_27%3AFabienne+Doucet&s=books&sr=1-1). When a little one sees their parents overwhelmed with the aftermath of distressing news, they remind themselves of the love that still shines through and all of the ways love is showcased in the simplest of actions that we often overlook. Whether helping a neighbor or reminiscing the beauty of a sunset with a loved one, love triumphs all. This inspiring picture book will encourage your little ones to practice seeing the good that exists all around us. Parents will adore this bilingual English-Spanish picture book as it introduces little ones to possibilities in which they can bring love and kindness into the world. Special Guest: Fabienne Doucet.

In this episode Scott is joined by return guest and friend of the show David Shields. The two talk about the assassination attempt on former President Trump, the messianic response by some, and what it means for the upcoming election. Special Guest: David Shields.

In this episode Scott is joined by return guest and friend of the show David Shields. The two talk about the strange political moment the country faces and what might be the Shakespearean tragic nature of it all. Special Guest: David Shields.

In this episode Scott talks with authors David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt about the cultural politics of the WNBA. Much has been made of the coverage of two of the WNBA's prominent stars: Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese. What are the racial and political implications of the coverage of these two athletes? What do they tell us about wider American culture as a whole in a tense election season? Special Guests: David Shields and Josh Rosenblatt.